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Uten bruk av DSP som B&O gjør, så skaper det store problemer i form av interferens mellom elementene.
Beolab 90 BØR jo representere en betydelig oppgradering, ja. Selv med en veldig grei pris for mine pent brukte Beolab 5, snakker vi om å hoste opp en drøy halv million ekstra. Så det blir nok uansett noen runder mellom ørene og lommeboken for å avgjøre hva det blir til.
Skjønner - takk.
Jeg har fremdeles mine OA-116 (1 bass, 1 mellomtone, 6 diskant) som jeg kjøpte i 1974. De lyder svært bra, selv i dag. Har dem på hytta der de drives av en Electrocompaniet ECI-5. Det spiller flott.Litt OT - høyttaler med elementer som "peker i alle retninger" har vært prøvd før. Hvorfor gikk det av moten og hvorfor ser vi ikke det så ofte lengre?
Sonab, Bose osv var jo eksponent på dette 60-70 tallet som f.eks.:
Sonab OA-2212 ( 2 bass - 2 mellomtoner - 12 diskanter) tot 16 elementer.
Synes noe lignende kunne vært et spennende DIY prosjekt. Synd slike design ikke er i vinden lengre men det er kanskje en grunn?
Det er slet ikke dette Beolab 90 går ud på, det der er bare en stor kæmpe misforståelse på hvad hi-fi drejer sig om , og om hvordan stereo virker.Litt OT - høyttaler med elementer som "peker i alle retninger" har vært prøvd før. Hvorfor gikk det av moten og hvorfor ser vi ikke det så ofte lengre?
Sonab, Bose osv var jo eksponent på dette 60-70 tallet som f.eks.:
Sonab OA-2212 ( 2 bass - 2 mellomtoner - 12 diskanter) tot 16 elementer.
Synes noe lignende kunne vært et spennende DIY prosjekt. Synd slike design ikke er i vinden lengre men det er kanskje en grunn?
For samme pris kan du få dette hos sjappa i Vika. Langt høyere valuta for penga!
3 meter ledning:
Og et par stativhøyttalere, men da kommer stativer i tillegg.
(med et tusentalls utropstegn bak..)Apapap! Det er to x to meter. 70000,- dyrer med to x tre meters lengder. Forøvrig tror jeg de aller fleste her i tråden kjenner til de ublu prisene på Nordost.
Stilmessig så er en slik bil en god match.... men "neiiii... jeg ville ikke hatt den om de ga meg den... for den er så lite diskret..." Joda.
Sant nok at mye av formspråket til Wilson er preget av funksjonalitet. Men likevel. Jeg klarer virkelig ikke å se dem som pene. For meg virker det som justeringsmulighetene er gjort demonstrativt synlige. For meg ser det ut som et uferdig konsumentprodukt, eller en testrigg rett fra lab'en.
Punkt 1: Sitt ned. Ha!
By the way, I want to apologize for the length of this post. I wanted to put my experience with the Beolab into perspective. I don't want people thinking that it was the only speaker that I listened to at CES, or that I've only listened to a handful of world-class speakers. I've listened to hundreds, and I even bought a pair based on demos at audio shows. (I bought my Gedlee Summas based on a demo that Earl did at the 2005 RMAF.)
Let's cut to the chase here. The Beolab 90 is an industry-changing speaker. In my life I can count on one hand the speakers that are able to make the room 'disappear.' The first time I experienced it was with Quad Electrostatics. The second time was with Danley SH50s. There are plenty of speakers which throw a nice soundstage, but those two speakers make the boundaries of the room disappear. The listening room in my home is tiny, barely 150', but close your eyes with an SH50 and you're transported to where the recording was made.
I need to stress that this is rather unique, as there ARE speakers which throw a huge stage, no matter what's on the recording. I've heard a lot of line arrays that do that, and you can create that effect electronically using crosstalk cancellation.
But the Quad and the SH50 were different, when the recording was small, the sound was small, and when the recording was great, it was like a window onto the recording venue.
The Beolab 90 does this.
Listening to the Summas back-to-back with the SH50s, I could tell that Geddes is correct when he says that HOMs are obnoxious. The SH50s image like crazy, but the treble isn't silky smooth like it is with the Summas. (And don't take my word for it, you can see it in the measurements of both.)
The Beolab didn't have that problem; there is no waveguide and no horn, and there are no HOMs.
Listening to the Quads, I knew I could never live with them; I'm a horn guy and the Quads lacked the dynamics I'm accustomed to.
The Beolab 90 is a BEAST; I'm surprised Bang & Olufsen wasn't kicked out of CES. I never even got close to the SPL limits of my Summas, but if the Beolab 90 had a limit, I couldn't tell what it was. B&O cranked it up for a couple of tracks, and you could FEEL the bass. Each cabinet basically has four high excursion subs in it, and thousands of watts.
The easiest way for me to describe the demo is this:
I have a pair of really nice headphones, Sennheiser HD380s. The Beolab 90 sounds like my headphones. Except the soundstage is out there in the room, instead of in my head. The sound is clean and dynamic. The soundstage is whatever you give it; give it a good recording and the soundstage is pinpoint and huge, give it a crummy recording and it's crummy.
Another thing that I really appreciated about the Bang & Olufsen demo was their transparency. For instance, the Dynaudio folks ran a demo using a track that appeared to have crosstalk cancellation on the recording. I've messed around a lot with crosstalk cancellation, so I know it when I hear it; it makes the stage insanely wide. The B&O folks weren't doing what most do, they weren't playing a series of "audiophile-approved" recordings carefully curated to wow the crowd. They were basically picking tracks at random from their music server. (80% of the tracks in the demo were tracks I owned, so I feel fairly confident that I wasn't snowed.)
So... Any questions?
If you couldn't tell yet, this is the best speaker I've ever heard, bar none. In fact, I feel a little silly lumping it in with other loudspeakers. It's like comparing a tube amp to a solid state amp. They both amplify the music, but they're completely different animals.
Fra diyaudio.
By the way, I want to apologize for the length of this post. I wanted to put my experience with the Beolab into perspective. I don't want people thinking that it was the only speaker that I listened to at CES, or that I've only listened to a handful of world-class speakers. I've listened to hundreds, and I even bought a pair based on demos at audio shows. (I bought my Gedlee Summas based on a demo that Earl did at the 2005 RMAF.)
Let's cut to the chase here. The Beolab 90 is an industry-changing speaker. In my life I can count on one hand the speakers that are able to make the room 'disappear.' The first time I experienced it was with Quad Electrostatics. The second time was with Danley SH50s. There are plenty of speakers which throw a nice soundstage, but those two speakers make the boundaries of the room disappear. The listening room in my home is tiny, barely 150', but close your eyes with an SH50 and you're transported to where the recording was made.
I need to stress that this is rather unique, as there ARE speakers which throw a huge stage, no matter what's on the recording. I've heard a lot of line arrays that do that, and you can create that effect electronically using crosstalk cancellation.
But the Quad and the SH50 were different, when the recording was small, the sound was small, and when the recording was great, it was like a window onto the recording venue.
The Beolab 90 does this.
Listening to the Summas back-to-back with the SH50s, I could tell that Geddes is correct when he says that HOMs are obnoxious. The SH50s image like crazy, but the treble isn't silky smooth like it is with the Summas. (And don't take my word for it, you can see it in the measurements of both.)
The Beolab didn't have that problem; there is no waveguide and no horn, and there are no HOMs.
Listening to the Quads, I knew I could never live with them; I'm a horn guy and the Quads lacked the dynamics I'm accustomed to.
The Beolab 90 is a BEAST; I'm surprised Bang & Olufsen wasn't kicked out of CES. I never even got close to the SPL limits of my Summas, but if the Beolab 90 had a limit, I couldn't tell what it was. B&O cranked it up for a couple of tracks, and you could FEEL the bass. Each cabinet basically has four high excursion subs in it, and thousands of watts.
The easiest way for me to describe the demo is this:
I have a pair of really nice headphones, Sennheiser HD380s. The Beolab 90 sounds like my headphones. Except the soundstage is out there in the room, instead of in my head. The sound is clean and dynamic. The soundstage is whatever you give it; give it a good recording and the soundstage is pinpoint and huge, give it a crummy recording and it's crummy.
Another thing that I really appreciated about the Bang & Olufsen demo was their transparency. For instance, the Dynaudio folks ran a demo using a track that appeared to have crosstalk cancellation on the recording. I've messed around a lot with crosstalk cancellation, so I know it when I hear it; it makes the stage insanely wide. The B&O folks weren't doing what most do, they weren't playing a series of "audiophile-approved" recordings carefully curated to wow the crowd. They were basically picking tracks at random from their music server. (80% of the tracks in the demo were tracks I owned, so I feel fairly confident that I wasn't snowed.)
So... Any questions?
If you couldn't tell yet, this is the best speaker I've ever heard, bar none. In fact, I feel a little silly lumping it in with other loudspeakers. It's like comparing a tube amp to a solid state amp. They both amplify the music, but they're completely different animals.
Det er jo ikke toppmodellene de tjener penger på, de skaper blest og status omkring merket, og så går folk og kjøper et mildt overpriset produkt i den rimeligere enden av skalaen. En produsent i premiumsegmentet, som B&O trenger et high end-alibi, ellers er de bare en ordinær produsent.
Er det derfor B&O-aksjen har doblet seg det siste året?
Tja, eg veit ikkje eg, B&O som høyrelursprodusent vert litt stusseleg....
Det behøver det absolut ikke være , jeg er sikker på de har planer om at genbruge teknologien fra Beolab 90 i produkter som er prismæssigt mere overkommelige.
Synes da å huske at B&O hadde riktig snasent utseende hodetelefoner før i tida. Det var visst høvelig bra lyd på de også...
Hvorfor kan man ikke det?
