Hva en liten gruppe her inne hører eller IKKE hører er det bare å ta med en stor klype salt.
De har hos meg etter hver fått null troverdighet selv om de prøver så godt de kan å
få frem at deres erfaring er den absolutte sannhet.
Slik er det hos meg,da kan det umulig vere annerledes hos andre.
https://www.hifisentralen.no/forumet/forskjeller-og-testmetodikk/96394-auda-eller.html
"I had a long conversation during the show with Thorsten Loesch of Abbington Musical Research and IFI. He told me a fascinating story about confirmation bias. That’s when you are so sure of something that even strong evidence to the contrary will not persuade you to change your mind.
Thorsten put together a blind ABX testing where he told participants it was a comparison of two power cables. But when he went behind the curtains, ostensibly to change the power cable, what he actually did was switch the speaker cables on one channel, so the system was playing out of phase. Thorsten had three different types of audiophiles take his test: subjectivists, objectivists, and those who were neither. The subjectivists and neutral listeners heard the effects of the system being thrown out of phase. The objectivists heard no differences. It was a robust test with clearly correlated results.
And how noticeable is having one speaker’s channel out of phase with the other? Ten years ago, at CES I entered a room with an “All Digital System” that had all the DACs and electronics in the loudspeakers. I listened for about ten seconds, then I turned to the gentleman who was giving the presentation and told him, “One of your channels is out of phase with the other.” He told me that was impossible since all the connections were hard-wired. I thanked him and left. A day later he caught me in the hall and explained that indeed one channel had been mis-wired out of phase.
The fact that the objectivists in Thorsten’s test were the ones who were so set in their opinions that it blinded them to the aural facts in front of their ears is a delicious irony. Why? Because those audiophiles who embrace ABX testing with the most fervor are those who believe most strongly in effects of expectation bias, which is why sighted testing is, in their eyes, flawed. Thorsten’s test indicates a strong tendency for objectivists to listen with closed ears whether the test is blind or sighted, which isn’t very objective, is it? "
Påstand om at det ingen teknisk forklaring finnes?
https://www.hifisentralen.no/forumet/kabelhja-rnet/94176-usb-kabler-13.html
Innlegg # 258
Hmm.. hvis den kabelen forandrer lyden, må den nødvendigvis forandre på bit'ene i dataordene... Jeg hadde i alle fall ikke turt å skrive ut dokumenter med den.... må i alle fall korrekturleses svært grundig....
innlegg # 259
^ Når utskriftene er perfekte i forhold til kilden med printerkabel og lyden forandrer seg ved bruk av sirkuskabel så vil jeg tro at sirkuskabelen er dårligere.
Som "kortvarig" argumenterte for.
"alt påvirker fra kilde til sluttprodukt"
Teknisk forklaring finnes og er vel ganske elementær teori,
og årsaken er ikke feilkonstruert/defekt elektronikk,eller at det sitter i hodet.
http://ltu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:996537/FULLTEXT01.pdf
Så tar denne lille gruppen feil her,er det sikkert ganske rimelig at de tar feil med mye annet også.
De har hos meg etter hver fått null troverdighet selv om de prøver så godt de kan å
få frem at deres erfaring er den absolutte sannhet.
Slik er det hos meg,da kan det umulig vere annerledes hos andre.
https://www.hifisentralen.no/forumet/forskjeller-og-testmetodikk/96394-auda-eller.html
"I had a long conversation during the show with Thorsten Loesch of Abbington Musical Research and IFI. He told me a fascinating story about confirmation bias. That’s when you are so sure of something that even strong evidence to the contrary will not persuade you to change your mind.
Thorsten put together a blind ABX testing where he told participants it was a comparison of two power cables. But when he went behind the curtains, ostensibly to change the power cable, what he actually did was switch the speaker cables on one channel, so the system was playing out of phase. Thorsten had three different types of audiophiles take his test: subjectivists, objectivists, and those who were neither. The subjectivists and neutral listeners heard the effects of the system being thrown out of phase. The objectivists heard no differences. It was a robust test with clearly correlated results.
And how noticeable is having one speaker’s channel out of phase with the other? Ten years ago, at CES I entered a room with an “All Digital System” that had all the DACs and electronics in the loudspeakers. I listened for about ten seconds, then I turned to the gentleman who was giving the presentation and told him, “One of your channels is out of phase with the other.” He told me that was impossible since all the connections were hard-wired. I thanked him and left. A day later he caught me in the hall and explained that indeed one channel had been mis-wired out of phase.
The fact that the objectivists in Thorsten’s test were the ones who were so set in their opinions that it blinded them to the aural facts in front of their ears is a delicious irony. Why? Because those audiophiles who embrace ABX testing with the most fervor are those who believe most strongly in effects of expectation bias, which is why sighted testing is, in their eyes, flawed. Thorsten’s test indicates a strong tendency for objectivists to listen with closed ears whether the test is blind or sighted, which isn’t very objective, is it? "
Påstand om at det ingen teknisk forklaring finnes?
https://www.hifisentralen.no/forumet/kabelhja-rnet/94176-usb-kabler-13.html
Innlegg # 258
Hmm.. hvis den kabelen forandrer lyden, må den nødvendigvis forandre på bit'ene i dataordene... Jeg hadde i alle fall ikke turt å skrive ut dokumenter med den.... må i alle fall korrekturleses svært grundig....
innlegg # 259
^ Når utskriftene er perfekte i forhold til kilden med printerkabel og lyden forandrer seg ved bruk av sirkuskabel så vil jeg tro at sirkuskabelen er dårligere.
Som "kortvarig" argumenterte for.
"alt påvirker fra kilde til sluttprodukt"
Teknisk forklaring finnes og er vel ganske elementær teori,
og årsaken er ikke feilkonstruert/defekt elektronikk,eller at det sitter i hodet.
http://ltu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:996537/FULLTEXT01.pdf
Så tar denne lille gruppen feil her,er det sikkert ganske rimelig at de tar feil med mye annet også.
Bare stevne frem som før du. Fikk hvertfall litt respons denne gangen.
