Politikk, religion og samfunn President Donald J. Trump - Quo vadis? (Del 2)

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  • Dr_BASS

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    jeg tror det som stikker dypest for folk er ulovlig innvandring og sugerør i statskassa
    det er slike ting som rokker ved folks rettferdighetsoppfatning og skaper mistillit til systemet
    ikke at et par er kvalmende rike

    skjønner det godt, hvis man sliter med å få endene til å møtes og jobber 3 jobber så er det ganske frustrerende å se skattepengene til noen som ikke fortjener det.

    Det som er synd er at man ikke klarer å innse at hele systemet er råttent, og det er rigget for å gi oss falske forhåpninger
    Det blir aldri noen endring, selv ikke med trump selv om han er den første politikeren jeg har sett som sier det rett ut og som gjennomfører (mer eller mindre) det han sier.
    Dette er den nye vinen, så kan man leve i håpet at om 3år da kommer alt til å endre seg...
    Ingenting endrer seg før vi river ned systemet og blir frie mennesker, systemet er rigget for å inndra mer og mer frihet
     

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    jeg tror det som stikker dypest for folk er ulovlig innvandring og sugerør i statskassa
    det er slike ting som rokker ved folks rettferdighetsoppfatning og skaper mistillit til systemet
    ikke at et par er kvalmende rike

    skjønner det godt, hvis man sliter med å få endene til å møtes og jobber 3 jobber så er det ganske frustrerende å se skattepengene til noen som ikke fortjener det.

    Det som er synd er at man ikke klarer å innse at hele systemet er råttent, og det er rigget for å gi oss falske forhåpninger
    Det blir aldri noen endring, selv ikke med trump selv om han er den første politikeren jeg har sett som sier det rett ut og som gjennomfører (mer eller mindre) det han sier.
    Dette er den nye vinen, så kan man leve i håpet at om 3år da kommer alt til å endre seg...
    Ingenting endrer seg før vi river ned systemet og blir frie mennesker, systemet er rigget for å inndra mer og mer frihet
    Så du tenker at WW2 var verdt det?
     

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    Så du tenker at WW2 var verdt det?
    faen er det for noe å skrive
    syns du det var vært det?
    Hva har det med noe som helst av det jeg skrev?
    Du gjør det veldig vanskelig å være saklig

    mtp alle de millionene med unge gutter som ble drept i krig så vil jeg si nei.
    Men sett på en annen side ville alle disse vært døde i dag uansett så det har vel kanskje ikke så mye å si
     

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    Litt mer nordamerikanske kontroverser
     

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    Advarsel. Lang quote:

    I owe my Trump-supporting friends an apology. I’ve been critical of the Trump presidency and am still exhausted from the experience. But to be fair, President Trump wasn’t that bad, other than when:
    He incited an insurrection against the government
    Mismanaged a pandemic that killed nearly half a million Americans
    Separated children from their families, and lost those children in the bureaucracy
    Tear-gassed peaceful protesters on Lafayette Square so he could hold a photo op holding a Bible in front of a church
    Tried to block all Muslims from entering the country
    Got impeached, got impeached again
    Had the worst jobs record of any president in modern history
    Pressured Ukraine to dig dirt on Joe Biden
    Fired the FBI director for investigating his ties to Russia
    Bragged about firing the FBI director on TV
    Took Vladimir Putin’s word over the US intelligence community
    Diverted military funding to build his wall
    Caused the longest government shutdown in US history
    Called Black Lives Matter a “symbol of hate"
    Lied 30,000 times
    Banned transgender people from serving in the military
    Ejected reporters from the White House briefing room who asked tough questions
    Vetoed the defense funding bill because it renamed military bases named for Confederate soldiers
    Refused to release his tax returns
    Increased the national debt by nearly $8 trillion
    Had three of the highest annual trade deficits in U.S. history
    Called veterans and soldiers who died in combat losers and suckers
    Coddled the leader of Saudi Arabia after he ordered the execution and dismembering of a US-based journalist
    Refused to concede the 2020 election
    Hired his unqualified daughter and son-in-law to work in the White House
    Walked out of an interview with Lesley Stahl
    Called neo-Nazis “very fine people”
    Suggested that people should inject bleach into their bodies to fight COVID
    Abandoned our allies the Kurds to Turkey
    Pushed through massive tax cuts for the wealthiest but balked at helping working Americans
    Incited anti-lockdown protestors in several states at the height of the pandemic
    Withdrew the US from the Paris climate accords
    Withdrew the US from the Iranian nuclear deal
    Withdrew the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership which was designed to block China’s advances
    Insulted his own Cabinet members on Twitter
    Pushed the leader of Montenegro out of the way during a photo op
    Failed to reiterate US commitment to defending NATO allies
    Called Haiti and African nations “shithole” countries
    Called the city of Baltimore the “worst in the nation"
    Claimed that he single handedly brought back the phrase “Merry Christmas” even though it hadn’t gone anywhere
    Forced his Cabinet members to praise him publicly like some cult leader
    Believed he should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
    Berated and belittled his hand-picked Attorney General when he recused himself from the Russia probe
    Suggested the US should buy Greenland
    Colluded with Mitch McConnell to push through federal judges and two Supreme Court justices after supporting efforts to prevent his predecessor from appointing judges
    Repeatedly called the media “enemies of the people"
    Claimed that if we tested fewer people for COVID we’d have fewer cases
    Violated the emoluments clause
    Thought that Namibia was a country
    Told Bob Woodward in private that the coronavirus was a big deal but then downplayed it in public
    Called his exceedingly faithful vice president a “p---y” for following the Constitution
    Nearly got us into a war with Iran after threatening them by tweet
    Nominated a corrupt head of the EPA
    Nominated a corrupt head of HHS
    Nominated a corrupt head of the Interior Department
    Nominated a corrupt head of the USDA
    Praised dictators and authoritarians around the world while criticizing allies
    Refused to allow the presidential transition to begin
    Insulted war hero John McCain – even after his death
    Spent an obscene amount of time playing golf after criticizing Barack Obama for playing (far less) golf while president
    Falsely claimed that he won the 2016 popular vote
    Falsely claimed that he turned down being Time’s Man of the Year
    Considered firing special counsel Robert Mueller on several occasions
    Mocked wearing face masks to guard against transmitting COVID
    Locked Congress out of its constitutional duty to confirm Cabinet officials by hiring acting ones
    Used a racist dog whistle by calling COVID the “China virus"
    Hired and associated with numerous shady figures that were eventually convicted of federal offenses including his campaign manager and national security adviser
    Pardoned several of his shady associates
    Gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to two congressman who amplified his batshit crazy conspiracy theories
    Got into telephone fight with the leader of Australia(!)
    Had a Secretary of State who called him a moron
    Forced his press secretary to claim without merit that his was the largest inauguration crowd in history
    Botched the COVID vaccine rollout
    Tweeted so much dangerous propaganda that Twitter eventually banned him
    Charged the Secret Service jacked-up rates at his properties
    Constantly interrupted Joe Biden in their first presidential debate
    Claimed that COVID would “magically” disappear
    Called a U.S. Senator “Pocahontas"
    Used his Twitter account to blast Nordstrom when it stopped selling Ivanka’s merchandise
    Opened up millions of pristine federal lands to development and drilling
    Got into a losing tariff war with China that forced US taxpayers to bail out farmers
    Claimed that his losing tariff war was a win for the US
    Ignored or didn’t even take part in daily intelligence briefings
    Blew off honoring American war dead in France because it was raining
    Redesigned Air Force One to look like the Trump Shuttle
    Got played by Kim Jung Un and his “love letters"
    Threatened to go after social media companies in clear violation of the Constitution
    Botched the response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico
    Threw paper towels and toilet paper at Puerto Ricans when he finally visited them
    Pressured the governor and secretary of state of Georgia to “find” him votes
    Thought that the Virgin islands had a President
    Drew on a map with a Sharpie to justify his inaccurate tweet that Alabama was threatened by a hurricane
    Allowed White House staff to use personal email accounts for official businesses after blasting Hillary Clinton for doing the same thing
    Rolled back regulations that protected the public from mercury and asbestos
    Pushed regulators to waste time studying snake-oil remedies for COVID
    Rolled back regulations that stopped coal companies from dumping waste into rivers
    Held blatant campaign rallies at the White House
    Tried to take away millions of Americans’ health insurance because the law was named for a Black man
    Refused to attend his successors’ inauguration
    Nominated the worst Education Secretary in history
    Threatened judges who didn’t do what he wanted
    Attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci
    Promised that Mexico would pay for the wall (it didn’t)
    Allowed political hacks to overrule government scientists on major reports on climate change and other issues
    Struggled navigating a ramp after claiming his opponent was feeble
    Called an African-American Congresswoman “low IQ"
    Threatened to withhold federal aid from states and cities with Democratic leaders
    Went ahead with rallies filled with maskless supporters in the middle of a pandemic
    Claimed that legitimate investigations of his wrongdoing were “witch hunts"
    Seemed to demonstrate a belief that there were airports during the American Revolution
    Demanded “total loyalty” from the FBI director
    Praised a conspiracy theory that Democrats are Satanic pedophiles
    Completely gutted the Voice of America
    Placed a political hack in charge of the Postal Service
    Claimed without evidence that the Obama administration bugged Trump Tower
    Suggested that the US should allow more people from places like Norway into the country
    Suggested that COVID wasn’t that bad because he recovered with the help of top government doctors and treatments not available to the public
    Overturned energy conservation standards that even industry supported
    Reduced the number of refugees the US accepts
    Insulted various members of Congress and the media with infantile nicknames
    Gave Rush Limbaugh a Presidential medal of Freedom at the State of the Union address
    Named as head of federal personnel a 29-year old who’d previously been fired from the White House for allegations of financial improprieties
    Eliminated the White House office of pandemic response
    Used soldiers as campaign props
    Fired any advisor who made the mistake of disagreeing with him
    Demanded the Pentagon throw him a Soviet-style military parade
    Hired a ton of white nationalists
    Politicized the civil service
    Did absolutely nothing after Russia hacked the U.S. government
    Falsely said the Boy Scouts called him to say his bizarre Jamboree speech was the best speech ever given to the Scouts
    Claimed that Black people would overrun the suburbs if Biden won
    Insulted reporters of color and women reporters and women reporters of color
    Suggested he was fine with China’s oppression of the Uighurs
    Attacked the Supreme Court when it ruled against him
    Summoned Pennsylvania state legislative leaders to the White House to pressure them to overturn the election
    Spent countless hours every day watching Fox News
    Refused to allow his administration to comply with Congressional subpoenas
    Hired Rudy Giuliani as his lawyer
    Tried to punish Amazon because the Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post wrote negative stories about him
    Acted as if the Attorney General of the United States was his personal attorney
    Attempted to get the federal government to defend him in a libel lawsuit from a women who accused him of sexual assault
    Held private meetings with Vladimir Putin without staff present
    Didn’t disclose his private meetings with Vladimir Putin so that the US had to find out via Russian media
    Stopped holding press briefings for months at a time
    "Ordered” US companies to leave China even though he has no such power
    Led a political party that couldn’t even be bothered to draft a policy platform
    Claimed preposterously that Article II of the Constitution gave him absolute powers
    Tried to pressure the U.K. to hold the British Open at his golf course
    Suggested that the government nuke hurricanes
    Suggested that wind turbines cause cancer
    Said that he had a special aptitude for science
    Fired the head of election cyber security after he said that the 2020 election was secure
    Blurted out classified information to Russian officials
    Tried to force the G7 to hold their meeting at his failing golf resort in Florida
    Fired the acting attorney general when she refused to go along with his unconstitutional Muslim travel ban
    Hired Stephen Miller
    Openly discussed national security issues in the dining room at Mar-a-Lago where everyone could hear them
    Interfered with plans to relocate the FBI because a new development there might compete with his hotel
    Abandoned Iraqi refugees who’d helped the U.S. during the war
    Tried to get Russia back into the G7
    Held a COVID super spreader event in the Rose Garden
    Seemed to believe that Frederick Douglass is still alive
    Lost 60 election fraud cases in court including before judges he had nominated
    Falsely claimed that factories were reopening when they weren’t
    Shamelessly exploited terror attacks in Europe to justify his anti-immigrant policies
    Still hasn’t come up with a healthcare plan
    Still hasn’t come up with an infrastructure plan despite repeated “Infrastructure Weeks"
    Forced Secret Service agents to drive him around Walter Reed while contagious with COVID
    Told the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by"
    F***ed up the Census
    Withdrew the U.S. from the World Health Organization in the middle of a pandemic
    Did so few of his duties that his press staff were forced to state on his daily schedule “President Trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. He will make many calls and have many meetings"
    Allowed his staff to repeatedly violate the Hatch Act
    Seemed not to know that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican
    Stood before sacred CIA wall of heroes and bragged about his election win
    Constantly claimed he was treated worse than any president which presumably includes four that were assassinated and his predecessor whose legitimacy and birthplace were challenged by a racist reality TV show star named Donald Trump
    Claimed Andrew Jackson could’ve stopped the Civil War even though he died 16 years before it happened
    Said that any opinion poll showing him behind was fake
    Claimed that other countries laughed at us before he became president when several world leaders were literally laughing at him
    Claimed that the military was out of ammunition before he became President
    Created a commission to whitewash American history
    Retweeted anti-Islam videos from one of the most racist people in Britain
    Claimed ludicrously that the Pulse nightclub shooting wouldn’t have happened if someone there had a gun even though there was an armed security guard there
    Hired a senior staffer who cited the non-existent Bowling Green Massacre as a reason to ban Muslims
    Had a press secretary who claimed that Nazi Germany never used chemical weapons even though every sane human being knows they used gas to kill millions of Jews and others
    Bilked the Secret Service for higher than market rates when they had to stay at Trump properties
    Apparently sold pardons on his way out of the White House
    Stripped protective status from 59,000 Haitians
    Falsely claimed Biden wanted to defund the police
    Said that the head of the CDC didn’t know what he was talking about
    Gave himself an A+ for his handling of the pandemic
    Tried to start a boycott of Goodyear tires due to an Internet hoax
    Said U.S. rates of COVID would be lower if you didn’t count blue states
    Deported U.S. veterans who served their country but were undocumented
    Claimed he did more for African Americans than any president since Lincoln
    Touted a “super-duper” secret “hypersonic” missile which may or may not be a new “hypersonic” missile or may not exist at all
    Retweeted a gif calling Biden a pedophile
    Forced through security clearances for his family
    Suggested that police officers should rough up suspects
    Suggested that Biden was on performance-enhancing drugs
    Tried to stop transgender students from being able to use school bathrooms in line with their gender
    Suggested the US not accept COVID patients from a cruise ship because it would make US numbers look higher
    Nominated a climate change sceptic to chair the committee advising the White House on environmental policy
    Retweeted a video doctored to look like Biden had played a song called “F**k tha Police” at a campaign event
    Hugged a disturbingly large number of U.S. flags
    Accused Democrats of “treason” for not applauding his State of the Union address
    Claimed that the FBI failed to capture the Parkland school shooter because they were “spending too much time” on Russia
    Mocked the testimony of Dr Christine Blasely Ford when she accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault
    Was proven to be close friends with the biggest sexual predictor of young girls
    Obsessed over low-flow toilets
    Ordered the rerelease of more COVID vaccines when there weren’t any to release
    Called for the construction of a bizarre garden of heroes with statutes of famous dead Americans as well as at least one Canadian (Alex Trebek)
    Hijacked Washington’s July 4th celebrations to give a partisan speech
    Took advice from the MyPillow guy
    Claimed that migrants seeking a better life in the US were dangerous caravans of drug dealers and rapists
    Said nothing when Vladimir Putin poisoned a leading opposition figure
    Never seemed to heed the advice of his wife’s “Be Best” campaign
    Falsely claimed that mail-in voting is fraudulent
    Announced a precipitous withdrawal of troops from Syria which not only handed Russia and ISIS a win but also prompted his defense secretary to resign in protest
    Insulted the leaders of Canada, France, Britain, Germany, and Sweden!!
    Falsely claimed credit for getting NATO members to increase their share of dues
    Blew off two Asia summits even though they were held virtually
    Continued lying about spending lots of time at Ground Zero with 9/11 responders
    Said that the Japanese would sit back and watch their “Sony televisions” if the US were ever attacked
    Left a NATO summit early in a huff
    Stared directly into an eclipse even though everyone over the age of 5 knows not to do that
    Called himself a very stable genius despite significant evidence to the contrary
    Refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power and kept his promise, and a whole bunch of other things I can’t remember at the moment.
    But other than that. . .
    Please share widely - TIA!!!
    Whoever wrote this deserves credit but I don't know who it is...
     

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    Hitler oppsto på akkurat samme måte som vår tids sterke menn; av økte forskjeller i samfunnet. Og nå, som da, gås det stort sett til ytre høyre.

    Det burde være helt unødvendig å oppleve samme story, 100 år etter.
    Ja, hva f..n er det med denne oransje som tiltaler folk tro?
    Jeg har en kompis, fra mange år tilbake. Helt til barndommen. Har vært en god venn.
    Politisk derimot har vi aldri vært på samme kanal. Han har vært godt over på "arbeiderbevegelsens side," mens jeg har holdt meg i blokken litt mer til høyre. Ingen av oss har vært ytterliggående på noe sett og vis, bare så det er sagt.
    Men hva finner jeg på veggen hans på fjesboka nå?
    -En video med Donalden!! Den så jeg ikke komme for å si det sånn.
     

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    "Samtalene" mellom Trump og paven går vel mest på sistnevntes harde kritikk av førstnevntes politikk, spesielt innvandring og internasjonale allianser.
     

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    "Samtalene" mellom Trump og paven går vel mest på sistnevntes harde kritikk av førstnevntes politikk, spesielt innvandring og internasjonale allianser.
    De har også uoffisielle samtaler og dem blir aldri kjent for allmenheten.
     

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    Der er kanskje Trump komfortabel nok til å dele sine favorittvers fra bibelen, det er jo så personlig for ham.
     

    alipax

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    Der er kanskje Trump komfortabel nok til å dele sine favorittvers fra bibelen, det er jo så personlig for ham.
    De snakker nok mest om andre ting, som hvordan dra gjensidig nytte av verdenssituasjonen for å få til hva dem ønsker.
     

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    Verdenspolitiet er nok en gang på banen. Denne gang 25% ekstra toll på alle som handler med Iran.
     

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    I lovforslaget står det blant annet:
    «Presidenten har tillatelse til å ta de grep som måtte være nødvendige, inkludert å søke forhandlinger med Kongeriket Danmark, for å annektere eller på annet vis få Grønland til å bli amerikansk territorium».
     

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    I lovforslaget står det blant annet:
    «Presidenten har tillatelse til å ta de grep som måtte være nødvendige, inkludert å søke forhandlinger med Kongeriket Danmark, for å annektere eller på annet vis få Grønland til å bli amerikansk territorium».
    Ved en avstemming vil Trump uansett ikke få alle partifeller med seg, selv om han skulle svinge pisken.
    Nei, Trump vil handle først, så vil han lirke Grønland inn i de forente stater i etterkant.
     

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    Dette er noe alle burde skjønne, du inkludert.
    Hva må alle skjønne?
    At en ikke religiøs grifter som Trump, definitivt ikke vil snakke om sin tro, som han ikke har?
    Eller at det kan virke som den nye paven har langt mere integritet enn Trump noensinne har hatt?
    Eller at Trump kommer til bruke alle midler til å få viljen sin, men antagligvis har møtt sin overmann her. Ikke på grunn av hans stilling, men fordi han virker til å være en tenkende person.
     

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    Trumps stab burde vite hva Helheim er. Bildet ble lagt ut på den offisielle kontoen til Det hvite hus.

    Regner med at ICESTAPO vil bli sendt dit.

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    Da ville vel tilogmed de mest rettroende rundt Mississippi-deltaet begynne å betvile hans religøsitet....som han ikke har.
    Kanskje.

    Eg slit litt å skjøna den posisjonen Paven (og katolsk kristendom) har i USA. Storparten av MAGA-kristendomen er låg- og frikyrkjeleg, og Den katolske kyrkja var lenge uglesett i USA og er det nok delvis enno, sidan dei fleste katolikkar i USA er latinos. Samtidig gjer Vance eit poeng ut av å vera katolikk, og eg har inntrykk av at det er eit «statement» å gå til Den katolske kyrkja (litt som her).

    Eg trur Trump beundrar Paven fordi han er ... pave. Masse folk som elskar han. Gull og pontifikaliar. Trump vil vera keisar, pave og farao.
     

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    Biden er en troende katolikk. Hverken Vance eller Trump er kristne, men de liker å si det for det gir dem cred i den "kristne" delen av USAs befolkning (som knapt har lest Bibelen, men bare hørt på en eller annen "pastor" som plukker de bitene han liker)
    (Litt som lederen av det islamske råd i Norge som ble spurt om hva han mente om den nye oversettelsen av Koranen som var kommet ut. Han svarte at det spilte ingen rolle, for den var så kompleks at man måtte ha en imam til å fortelle hva som sto der uansett - det var ikke en bok man kunne forvente at vanlige folk kunne forstå.)
     

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    Visste du at den norske regjeringen tok en Trump i 1931?

    Brødrene Devold fra Ålesund drev fangst på kysten av Grønland og mente at danskene var vanskelige med hensyn til gammel hevd på dette. De okkuperte Øst-Grønland i to omganger – en bror hver – og fikk faktisk den norske bondepartiregjeringen med på å anerkjenne dette, altså annektere dette territoriet med argumentet om at det var «terra nullius», ingenmannsland.

    Det hører med til denne pinlige historien at den store oppdageren Helge Ingstad ble innsatt som sysselmann der, og at kong Haakon var begeistret for det norske kravet.
     

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    Visste du at den norske regjeringen tok en Trump i 1931?

    Brødrene Devold fra Ålesund drev fangst på kysten av Grønland og mente at danskene var vanskelige med hensyn til gammel hevd på dette. De okkuperte Øst-Grønland i to omganger – en bror hver – og fikk faktisk den norske bondepartiregjeringen med på å anerkjenne dette, altså annektere dette territoriet med argumentet om at det var «terra nullius», ingenmannsland.

    Det hører med til denne pinlige historien at den store oppdageren Helge Ingstad ble innsatt som sysselmann der, og at kong Haakon var begeistret for det norske kravet.
    Ikke helt slik det foregikk. Grønland og Færøyene var statsrettslig norske før unionen med Danmark og «ble dansk» etter unionsoppløsningen i 1814. Etter 1905 var norsk nasjonalisme i høygir og Devoldene mente de kunne annektere Grønland på vegne av den norske stat, fordi danskene hadde hatt minimalt engasjement på øya, utover å terrorisere befolkningen med fanatiske prester.

    Men, unionsoppløsningen fra Danmark var en del av oppgjøret etter Napoleonskrigene, der Danmark-Norge hadde vært allierte med Frankrike. Om Norge skulle få Grønland med tilbakevirkende kraft, ved å henvise til tidligere statsrett over territoriet, risikerte man en drastisk omtegning av Europakartet, siden kongeriker både forsvant og ble til i oppgjørene etter Napoleons tap ved Waterloo.

    Folkeforbundet kjente mot Norge, som måtte fraskrive seg all rett til Grønland, Island og Færøyene. Kong Haakon var i en vanskelig situasjon, han var jo egentlig dansk, men ønsket å markere lojalitet med sitt nye kongerike, naturlig nok.
    Det skjedde store omlegginger i geografitimer i årene etter Første store slagsmål, det forsvant både keiserriker (Kakania) og kongedømmer, samt mengder av "prinsipaliteter og hertugdømmer". Og samtidig ble det begått landnàm rundt omkring, og Norge hadde lyst til å være med på festen. Landet fikk jo "herredømme" over Svalbard i 1920. Bondepartiet hadde også sterke sympatier i retning blodren nasjonalisme og vikingraid, så Hallvard Devold mente at man hadde rett til ihvertfall den delen av Grønland som var kjent som Eirik Raudes Land.

    I 1921, året etter at Norge "fikk" Svalbard, erklærte Danmark at Grønland og Færøyene, med tilliggende, var danske, noe den norske regjeringen dengang protesterte mot heftig. Men - dessverre hadde vår utenriksminister Nils Claus Ihlen (Who?) i 1919 blitt enig med danskene om at dersom Danmark ikke bestred norsk suverenitet på Svalbard, ville Norge ikke legge krav på Grønland og Færøyene.

    Og dette ble spikeren i kisten for det norske kravet da Den faste domstol for mellomfolkelig rettspleie i Haag tok opp saken etter "annekteringen". Norge og Danmark var blitt enige om at domstolen skulle få avgjøre, og den kjente mot Norge.
    For Devoldene handlet det om fiskerettigheter utenfor Grønland, siden danskene nå hevdet at disse var deres og at fisket var underlagt dansk myndighet. Derfor prøvde Norge å få det til at Øst-Grønland var "herreløst".

    Ingstad var forøvrig sysselmann for Eirik Raudes Land, på Øst-Grønland, og ikke for hele Grønland, mens det vaiet norsk flagg der.

    (Nå ser jeg at den norske regjeringen gikk veldig i seg selv under dette, blant annet ved at justisminister Asbjørn Lindboe oppsøkte et medium for å få klarhet i forholdet.)
     
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    Så du tenker at WW2 var verdt det?
    Dette spørsmålet oser av ansvarsfraskrivelse. Når jeg leser det i sammenheng med innlegget det svares på så er det ingen kontakt med årsak & konsekvens. Tror du ww2 bare skjedde? For det første er det ww2, altså en fortsettelse av ww1. Og hvorfor det?

    Årsak: Krigserstatningene landet ble pålagt i Versaillestraktaten
    Konsekvens: Nasjonalistiske grupper etter hvert vant tilhengere. Blant dem var Hitler og hans nazistiske parti.

    Årsak 2: Økonomisk krise ledsaget av en politisk krise
    Konsekvens: Opphør av det parlamentariske system og regjeringen styrte ved nødsforordninger.

    Det er en merkelig lite reflektert venstreside som tror konflikter, kriger, dikatorer osv. bare dukker opp fra intet.
    Dette er også en av grunnene til at historien gjentar seg! Fornektelse av virkeligheten og ignorering av vanlige folk og undergraving av sannheten.
    Sånn der har du det. Skjønner man ikke årsak & konsekvens så er man selv en del av årsaken.
     
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