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    Siste redigert av JohnnyH; 17.03.2013 kl. 22:21.

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    Bakoon er et interessant lite firma.

    Ganske snasen denne her også - legg merke til hodetelefonutgangen på siden (TRS)

    http://www.bakoonproducts.com/review...review-6moons/

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    Bakoon HPA-21 Facebook side med produkt oppdateringer.

    Legger ut en link til Bakoon sin facebook side som jevnlig legger ut info om utviklingen av Bakoon HPA-21.

    http://www.facebook.com/bpintl?ref=stream

    Den ser ganske lekker ut den ampen.

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    Intervju av Akira Nagai, opphavs mannen til Satri kretsen til Bakoon produktene.

    Her forteller Akira Nagai litt om historien rundt Bakoons Satri krets.

    http://www.bakoonproducts.com/review...gai-interview/

    Litt teknisk forklaring med diagram over Satri kretsen.

    http://www.bakoonproducts.com/technology/satri-circuit/

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    Bakoon HDA-5210mk3 Amplifier Den japanske versjonen.

    Headfonia har lyttet til den japanske versjonen av Bakoons hodetelefon forsterker, Bakoon HDA-5210mk3

    Bakoon HDA-5210mk3 Amplifier | Headfonia

    Komentar fra tester: It was the best amp for the Fostex TH-900, period

    Så eiere av Fostex TH 900 kan kanskje ønske seg en slik til jul.

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    SATRI Reference Recordings 16/44,1 & 24/96

    Japansk hifi "test" musikk for nedlasting i FLAC format.

    http://www.bakoonproducts.com/downloads/recordings/

    Har testet noen av 24/96 kuttene og de lyder godt som test musikk.

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    High End 2013: Bakoon International: The Best headphone amplifier in the world.


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    BAKOON HPA-21 CURRENT DRIVE HEADPHONE AMPLIFIER

    BAKOON HPA-21 CURRENT DRIVE HEADPHONE AMPLIFIER



    The HPA-21 is a dedicated headphone amp building on the highly appreciated, and award-winning AMP-11R. It takes the fantastic Satri circuit to a whole new level by offering a complete "current drive/current output" signal instead of the traditional "voltage drive" outputs of common headphone amplifiers. This results in up to 1/10th of the distortion in the signal. Furthermore, being battery powered, the music is truly kept as musical as intended.



    Soo In Chae of Bakoon International (in an interview with 6mons.com) "More and more people love the AMP-11R as headphone amp. We thus wanted a more affordable model superior even to the 11R for this specific purpose. With an output impedance close to 2.5MΩ, expect up to 1/10th the headphone distortion with the HPA-21's current-mode output. We believe this will be a true game changer. It's a larger one-box solution with internal battery power supply derived from our EQA-11R."



    The HPA-21 will run on it Li-Ion battery supply for up to 7 hours, driving even the most demanding headphones like the Audeze
    LCD-3s (which incidently have been used as the reference headphones in the development of the HPA-21)
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    HPA-21

    Med en pris på 27000 sek er denne ikke på min liste med det.første, men sikkert et bra produkt

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    absolutt high end...heia kimchi!
    Jeg representerer Moiz Audio.
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    Kostbar sak ja, men ikker verre en at andre her har dyrere utstyr.

    Den er heller ikke på min førsteliste heller, men men men , den blir jo brukt en gang, eller kanskje svenske krona stuper litt.

    Men må si at teknologien virker meget fristende for en teknologi freak som meg.

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    Review Bakoon HPA-21 test @ Head-fi.org

    CanDude: Bakoon HPA-21 headphone amplifier, one of the best

    The thread Two high end Bakoon headphone amp Japan version discussion and appreciation thread was more or less hijacked for Bakoon HPA-21. I felt that one of the best headphone amplifiers in the world needed its own thread so please continue to post discussions, reviews etc. of Bakoon HPA-21 in this dedicated thread.

    Review Bakoon HPA-21

    Equipment

    Samsung laptop, Windows 7, JRiver Media Center 17 with 112 dB Redline Monitor plug-in

    Flac-files, mostly 16/44, some 24/44-96

    Wireworld Starligth USB cable

    Lynx Hilo DAC

    Special Wireworld XLR to RCA cables*

    Red Astrachan headphone cable with ¼” to XLR adapter cable

    Toxic Silver Widow headphone cable

    Audez’e LCD-3 (RMA’d)

    Sennheiser HD800

    HiFi Man HE600

    Reference headphone amps:

    Bryston BHA-1 with similar Wireworld XLR to XLR cables to Hilo, no ¼” to XLR HP adapter cable, i.e. balanced in and balanced out

    Built-in headphone amp in Lynx Hilo (SE out)

    * Explanation on the special XLR to RCA cables: Lynx Hilo only has balanced outputs and HPA-21 only has unbalanced RCA + SATRI-LINK inputs. I had the shop (Audio Concept) made me balanced to unbalanced cables according to Lynx recommendations: XLR pin 1 (ground) to shield but no connection to RCA, XLR pin 2 (+) to RCA center pin, XLR pin 3 (-) to RCA sleeve.

    Redline Monitor

    I always listen to headphones using the plug-in Redline Monitor from 112 dB. This plug-in fixes the stereo image so it more corresponds to listening to speakers, compare to the corresponding (analogue) functionality in SPL Phonitor. There are other plug-ins for this, but most are toys that totally change the sound. Tone Boost Isone is also good, but it changes the sound too much IMO. Head-fit and bs2b_vst use simpler crossfeed algorithms that affect the sound less but are not that effective. My current settings for RM is center level = -2.5 dB, soundstage width = 60 degrees and speaker distance = 2 m. The max setting for speaker distance amplifies high-mids (above 2 kHz) a very tiny bit, that suits LCD-3 well since it is a little bit attenuated in this area.


    Of course you cannot use plug-ins like this if you still use CD players as your source. Most music is mixed and mastered using speakers, so things like reverb, which usually has a big stereo spread, gets too prominent when listening via headphones without crossfeed. To me that is an added effect, definitely not “bit-perfect”. Try this experiment: Listen only to the left or right channel with RM and then without RM (click on the RM icon or name for “intelligent bypass”). Which sounds most natural?

    I have done all listening with Audez’e LCD-3 via the current output, unless otherwise noted.


    Purpose

    The purpose of this review is to compare Bakoon HPA-21 with my Bryston BHA-1. In February I was lucky to be able to listen to a pre-production unit at the Stockholm High End Show. That was the world premiere for HPA-21. Then I waited and waited, remembering the clear sound from HPA-21 and wondering how it would sound like with my own equipment and music. Last year I bought BHA-1 as a “good enough / end of the road” headphone amplifier, but if HPA-21 is clearly superior to BHA-1 I intended to buy it. From an economical point of view I hoped that the differences would be so small so that it would not be worth the money to buy HPA-21.


    I have also done some comparisons with Hilo’s built-in headphone amp, which reminds of BHA-1, minus some power and other qualities of a dedicated headphone amp. Since switching between HPA-21 and BHA-1 involves switching XLR cables to the DAC plus switching the headphone cable’s XLR plug it was more convenient to just switch the ¼” plug between HPA-21 and Hilo.


    I will not describe HPA-21 specifications or technical solutions here since this information can be found elsewhere. For more information on HPA-21, technical details etc. please see the review by Srajan Ebaen at 6moons and my previous posts about HPA-21 in this thread.


    Arrival

    Since there were some production delays my expectations rise for every week. Now it had a lot to live up to! Finally the shop got one of the first HPA-21 production units. Using an Esoteric CD player, Toxic Silver Widow headphone cable (kindly lent by Michael at Klutz Design) and my own LCD-3 headphones I listened to some CDs I know well at the shop. I recognized the clear sound I remembered from the world premiere at the Stockholm High End show. Robert at the shop also confirmed the differences between the current output and the voltage output.


    Before leaving the shop, of course with HPA-21 and the Toxic cable with me, I tried the same setup with Sennheiser’s HDVD 800 amp, not using its DAC, driven unbalanced from the CD player and also unbalanced to LCD-3. So the setup was not optimal for HDVD 800. The sound was not bad but not in the same class IMO. The sound was kind of softer and “thicker”, maybe a little bit more low mids. Probably suits HD800 fine, though.

    The only problem I have had with HPA-21 is that the nut for the left RCA socket was loose when I got home. However I could easily tighten it with my fingers and later Robert at the shop tightened it properly. Having looked inside HPA-21 he said it is very tidy built. I hope this mishap is just an isolated case. The HPA-21 has worked flawlessly ever since.

    Sound

    So how does it sound like? The first note I made at home was “Clear, dynamic, details, blackground”. I noticed details and low level rhythmic figures I have not noticed before in songs I have listened to for years. Reviewers always say that, don’t they! But it is true.

    I also quickly noticed that there is no lack of gain! With Hilo line out trim level set to +0dBV (lowest setting) and HPA-21 gain set to high I always set the volume less than 12:00 when using LCD-3. For modern über-compressed music I set the volume as low as 07:30. With Resonessence Concero, which outputs 1.2Vrms, the volume is a little bit louder.


    It actually feels a little bit silly trying to describe the sound in ordinary terms like bass, mids, treble etc., but here we go...

    Bass

    The bass is excellent! It has more attack/punch and it is also more detailed compared to BHA-1. Maybe this makes it appear a little bit more prominent. On Pink Floyd’s The Wall (remaster) you can clearly hear the sharp attack when the kick drum beater hits the skin and then the short decay of the vibrating drum skin. You can of course hear all this with BHA-1 as well, but everything gets a little bit “mixed up” and “fluffy”, more “boomm” where HPA-21 presents a distinct “Boom”. I heard similar differences when I compared the DACs Lavry DA11 (“boomier”) with Lynx Hilo (more exact and dynamic bass).

    Mids

    The mids is excellent! I noticed that the Hilo’s built-in headphone amp seems to have a tiny bit louder upper mids/lower highs. Reading my notes I cannot find any comment on differences in mids between HPA-21 and BHA-1. I do not connect the differences I hear with the terminology of “mids”, even though there are differences in the mids technically speaking. Hence, mids is excellent for both HPA-21 and BHA-1.


    Treble

    The treble is excellent! It is clean and almost “polished” with LCD-3. In comparison the Hilo amp is blunter with less attacks and, as already said, maybe a tad brighter. As for mids I rarely think in the terminology of “treble” when listening to HPA-21.


    Dynamics

    Dynamics is excellent! Notes hits you from nowhere with very “precise” attacks. Every note lives in its own space and is easier to discover, examine and enjoy than with BHA-1. When listening to electro-pop it can almost be too much with all sharp attacks. But then you just switch to the voltage output and everything softens up a bit, more like a “normal” amp. The sound of Hilo’s built-in amp and, to a lesser degree, BHA-1, can almost be perceived as being compressed compared to HPA-21. This makes it harder to match the levels by ear.


    The rest

    Imaging, blackground, micro details, PRAT etc., everything is excellent! Someone described another Japanese Bakoon headphone amp as having a “slight v-shaped tonality”. This is not true for BHA-21 IMO. HPA-21 and BHA-1 are both flat, but it is true that initially you may perceive HPA-21 as being more V-shaped while BHA-1 has a “fuller” sound. I recognize this phenomenon from when I bought my Event Opal monitors. The Opals’ have less distortion than some other monitors so they may sound a little bit on the “thin” side. But when you listen carefully everything is there, having the correct level. What’s missing is the distortion, which normally makes a more initially impressive sound. I have my own term for that type of sound, I call it “paper cone sound”. Think of the sound from an old speaker with a wobbly paper cone. It hardly sounds correct, but nice and “cozy”. Perfect for guitar amps!


    BHA-1 is a very very good headphone amp! It definitely does not sound like a Marshall stack on 11 (or 1)... You have to compare these amps side-by-side to be able to describe all the differences. When listening only to HPA-21 it is an excellent amp. When listening only to BHA-1 it is also an excellent amp. It is when you switch between these amps that you start to notice, and also to learn and remember, the differences.


    Note that HPA-21 is in the “output = input” category. If you want a colored sound to your taste or maybe to compensate for other components in the chain, if too many details distract you from the music or if you do not want the slightest hint of sibilance or edgy sound on badly recorded music, this amp may not be for you.

    Music!

    Now we are getting to the heart of the matter. HPA-21 presents all instruments, voices, tiny sonic and rhythmic details, effects, you name it, so naturally and clear! The music is just there for you to listen to. It grabs your attention. You do not listen to a DAC with a fancy headphone amp, you listen to the music, period. With BHA-1 you tend to listen to “technical” details, at least when reviewing, while with HPA-21 you soon forget about all that and listen to the music instead. Here are some comments from my initial listening notes:


    Switching to BHA-1:

    "Ordinary" again. Not bad though.

    Not as clear.

    Lots of details!

    "Thicker", more of a "wall of sound" where everything gets mixed together.


    Switching to HPA-21:

    Precision! Exactness! Details! Calmness! Naturalness! Unsmudginess! MUSIC!


    The following episode is typical for HPA-21. I had switched to BHA-1 and listened to Pink Floyd The Wall (remaster), 2nd record. Sounded really good! Roger's voice was maybe a tad brighter than I remembered from HPA-21. While listening to the record I also read a review. I saved half of the review for later. When I had listened through the whole record I switched to HPA-21 and matched the levels. I then listened to the same record again. I could not start reading the second part of the review since my attention was drawn to the music, even though I had just listened to the record! I noticed the more detailed kick drum, the clean sound, how I could almost touch all instruments, I noticed small details etc. Finally I managed to continue reading, but I was always present in the music in a way I was not with BHA-1. I also noticed my right foot started moving... This is typical for HPA-21, the music is just there and always grabs your attention.


    A week later I listened to and viewed Peter Gabriel’s Red Rain from Growing Up Live from YouTube, first on HPA-21 (because I couldn’t stop myself), then on BHA-1, then once again on HPA-21. On a way too loud volume... It was ridiculous. HPA-21 presents a clean, dynamic, studio-like sound with you present at the concert. And the bass, wow! You feel the joy of the musicians, you’re inside the music. With BHA-1 you get most of the details, but everything is kind of mixed up into a mush and you are not at the concert in the same way anymore, you are listening to your headphones via a good amp. So you do not need high-res audiophile recordings to get the best out of HPA-21. Of course high-res classical music also sounds excellent via HPA-21 (I have listened to that too). But with HPA-21 you can easily concentrate on the music, resolution is secondary.


    According to Bakoon the SATRI circuit has no slew rate and you get 1/10th of the headphone distortion with the current output. Now I know how thatsounds like.

    Cons

    If you forget to turn off the power when you do not use it for a while the batteries may be dead when you want to start listening again. Then you have to wait for the batteries to re-charge. You will soon make a habit to turn off the power when appropriate, but sometimes you will forget...


    There are no balanced inputs. This is understandable since Bakoon have their own SATRI-LINK standard instead, but if you do not use other Bakoon products (like their upcoming DAC) with HPA-21 the preamp or DAC of your choice probably has balanced outputs at this price range. However sound wise this should not be a problem in most cases (for example my special cables are just 50 cm long).


    Final words

    If you read this you have most probably already read the review by Srajan Ebaen at 6moons. I agree with what Srajan says, but you need to listen to HPA-21 for a while to fully understand it.


    Do I exaggerate? Not IMO. Magnifying maybe. I only try to describe what I hear. YMMV, of course.


    Of course I bought it! I guess I will only use my BHA-1 when the batteries in HPA-21 are dead. Once again I have reached the end of the road when it comes to headphone amps, but now at the highest possible end. I cannot imagine how any headphone amp can be better than this! Different, yes, but better, no.


    OK, one last analogy... Compare listening to music to looking out through a window. Some windows are dirty. Some windows are colored. Some windows have very old glass, and while very clear they distort the view in funny ways. Some windows do not distort the view in any noticeable way (like for BHA-1). But you still look through glass. Then you open the window. This is HPA-21. Welcome to the music!

    I will add comments on using other headphones with HPA-21 (HD800, HE6, SP) and also comments on comparing the Red Astrachan and Toxic Silver Widow headphone cables (probably in another post).

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    ^fanboy...

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    Jeg er en drømmer med håp om å eie. Men da må jeg vell også ha LCD3.

    Sorry fore my wallet.

    Jeg må jo også følge opp tråden litt av og til, sånn for å vedlike holde drømmen.

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    Jeg er en drømmer med håp om å eie. Men da må jeg vell også ha LCD3.

    Sorry fore my wallet.

    Jeg må jo også følge opp tråden litt av og til, sånn for å vedlike holde drømmen.
    Kjøp deg BHA-1 i stedet. Den er knakende god.

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    ^ har jo nettopp bestilt V200 og den her ikke fått stuevarme ennå.

    Leste flere plasser at BHA-1 var lys og kanskje litt frempå i signaturen så da falt den foreløpig inn blant de noe usikre kandidatene.

    Hadde det vært gode og enkle demo muligheter i Stavanger / Sandnes området, slik det var enkelt å prøvelytte alternativer hos forhandler, hadde kanskje det nåværende valget sett annerledes ut.

    Satser på en mulig jobb tur til hovedstaden med omegn på litt sikt.

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    ^ har jo nettopp bestilt V200 og den her ikke fått stuevarme ennå.

    Leste flere plasser at BHA-1 var lys og kanskje litt frempå i signaturen så da falt den foreløpig inn blant de noe usikre kandidatene.

    Hadde det vært gode og enkle demo muligheter i Stavanger / Sandnes området, slik det var enkelt å prøvelytte alternativer hos forhandler, hadde kanskje det nåværende valget sett annerledes ut.

    Satser på en mulig jobb tur til hovedstaden med omegn på litt sikt.
    Jeg opplevde ikke BHA-1 som lys. Den blir ofte anbefalt med den allerede lyse HD800 - noe som impliserer at den ikke er spesielt lys. Jeg hørte den med LCD-3 og HD650. Med HD650 var den helt fantiastisk - alt stemte. Med LCD-3 var den svært god, men om jeg savnet noe var de kanskje at den ikke var lys og frampå NOK... Jeg isker ikke at den var mørk. Jeg sier bare at utifra mine standarder er det vrient å kalle den lys. Og jeg er svært sensitiv for bright lyd.

    "Bright" brukes også av mange som et POSITIVT ladet ord. Det er kun når ting blir plagsomt bright at det blir negativt..

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    Er ekstremt følsom for klangsignatur og sibilanter, men liker skimrende cymbal utklingning, sære kriterier å tilfredsstille i et produkt.

    Jeg ser heller ikke på bright som nødvendigvis noe negativt, men må en handle uhørt blir det lett better safe then sorry.

    Det virket som Resonans i Stavanger skulle dra igang noe ordentlige head fi greier, men det ser ut til at demo amper blir Naim-DAC-V1 som highend amp og Schiit Lyr som mid fi amp, noe som ikke er et stort utvalg når kanskje 5 - 6 amper er på kandidat lista.

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    CanJam Europe 2013

    Headfonia: "Canjam Europe: The Picture Report"

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    A very pleasant discovery was this new HPA-21 amplifier from Bakoon where you can switch between a current and a voltage output. It sounded gorgeous with the LCD-2 and I will try getting one of these to feature on our site.
    Løsøreoversikt. Jeg lytter med høyst moderate lydstyrkenivåer.
    Subjektiv observasjon vs. forsøk etter anerkjente vitenskapelige prinsipper.
    Standardforbehold: Meg, mine ører, min smak, på den aktuelle dag, i det aktuelle system, med den aktuelle musikk, ...

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    A very pleasant discovery was this new HPA-21 amplifier from Bakoon where you can switch between a current and a voltage output. It sounded gorgeous with the LCD-2 and I will try getting one of these to feature on our site.
    Hadde en mistanke om at den var bra til Audeze, men 27000Kr ny, tilsier at det måtte ha bli en brukt.

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